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Helge Hartung's avatar

Good morning Peter!

I learned about your writings from a dear friend who has been an early childhood educator for half a century. Wonderful post.

As an academic physician who entered the US medical system after med school in Germany, I would like to add an observation which underlines your points made: ON AVERAGE, I have found German med students -who are selected based on high school performance but have nowhere near the brutal selectivity pressure US students have- to be better residents and attending physicians than US counterparts. From a ROI perspective on TECHNOCRATIC SKILL, which is related yet different from your points made here, this observation of mine is a disastrous indictment of our current US system.

If the German system produces equal if not better doctors, then why are we putting so much effort (and $$) into our system? My answer is that our current system serves the institutions, not the students.

And you touch on this here, yet in my view it deserves to be elevated even more: The 'lack of slack' in our current system produces this oddly manicured candidate. As a faculty member at an Ivy League teaching hospital, I have interviewed 'highly competitive' candidates for many years, and their CVs bore me to death. They are so generic, as if AI had created their life story! The rare truly authentic candidate -rare because most are filtered out long before I get to see any resumes- is a delight precisely because "the application sings" and doesn't just check all the boxes.

Thanks for a great article, and for all you do.

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Kathleen Cawley's avatar

Great article. Several points to make here. For context: I'm 59 y/o, went to U of MD for undergrad and got degree in Underwater cinematography from the Individual Studies Program. Not terribly practical but...I actually got a great education. Zoology and marine biology classes, film production and studies classes, a bunch of general studies classes that resonate to this day, (On Death and Dying, and Controlling Stress and Tension). One advisor was Dr. Eugene Clark, a world famous shark biologist, and another the Individual Studies adviser Dr. Lasota, who was supportive and encouraging. My biggest mistake was not listening when he told me to take Spanish! LOL. I have siblings who went to MIT, Cornell, and U of Chicago. Prior to college I thought I was dumb and was so burned out that I didn't want go. I went with the goal of just taking classes that interested me. This helped me to rekindle my love of learning and curiosity about the world. I also learned that I was smart enough and capable enough to do what I wanted.

Opening the mind of a student to the world of ideas, crafts, arts, etc. is really what I feel the primary goal of college should be. It's about broadening your world. Deepening your ability to bring insight into life. Giving you a deeper level of understanding of things around you.

After a few years of trying different jobs, (education department at an aquarium, physical therapy aide in a nursing home, etc.) I went back to school at Cal State Hayward. It has no reputation for anything in particular, but had great teachers and classes. I took courses for getting into physician assistant programs. Applied to 50 programs and got into 2. One of the newest and and least know schools and also one of the best in country. The good school was good, but I don't think it is the reason I've gotten any of the jobs I've had. In fact the first thing I get asked in an interview is "So tell me about underwater cinematography?!" It's actually a great door opener, and once I'm in the door I can fly on my skills.

Now this may all sound a bit roundabout to you, but I came from a rather troubled background and at one point was ready to ditch college completely. Many people do not have a direct path to careers. Exposure to the world of ideas can come from many colleges. But a lot of kids today are burned out and have been taught the goal is to jump through hoops. SATs, AP classes, extracurriculars etc. I think it is the love of learning that lets a student excel or even do well enough, regardless of location.

About 15 yrs ago I saw an article in a magazine, (Forbes maybe?) that looked at the schooling of the CEO's of the top 10 Fortune 500 companies. Only one went to Dartmouth, the rest went to state schools. And frankly I've never had the goal of being the CEO of a big company.

I have 14 y/o twins. I've never bought into the Ivy League, top school stuff, and in fact work hard to keep the pressure off my kids and keep the love of learning going. This has involved a lot of searching and moving of schools. Fortunately, I found a project-based-learning public school where my kids are thriving. But the older they get, the more I get hit by parents spouting the full pressure "must get into the best school" thing. That fear and panic is truly out there and parents are sharing it around. You have to be quite confident to resist it.

One more thought in this over long post. Linked here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpoGhrDQaCc

A video entitled, "5 simple (and kinda weird) Dutch habits to simplify your life."

Vera relates the Dutch concept of "the rule of 6's." Apparently, one is encouraged in school to maintain a 6 out of 10 in studies and tests. Striving too much higher than a 6 leads to concerns that the student is not allowing themselves enough time to balance their life with rest, fun, hobbies, friends etc. Apparently this is widely supported by parents and students alike. Not because they don't value skills and knowledge but because they value a person taking and building a balanced life. This is further facilitated by the fact that "6's" are entirely enough to get you into college which is also heavily subsidized by the government. And don't forget, the Dutch are a productive and educated people with loads of tech and engineering.

Now that I think about it, most of my friends are "educated white-collar professionals" and all went to state schools. No one talks about their "alma mater" or GPA!

Also, we forget to talk about the "disadvantages" of Ivy League schools. Lack of diversity, "inbred intellectual thoughts" poor understanding of less well off or first in family college students, potentially a narrow "rich" view of the world.

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