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"In my vision for the future, publicly supported learning-and-recreation centers would provide resources that enable everyone, regardless of family income, to educate themselves well in a community of others"

To me, this sounds like you are proposing an unstructured approach for the K-12 age group. How many young people do you think would flounder in an unstructured environment? I suspect that the number is large. Directionally, you are probably right that moving toward *less* structure would be better for many young people. But structured environments have been around for many decades in many countries, and it seems likely that they benefit at least *some* young people.

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I think a lot of students flounder without structure because current school system are so heavily structured, meaning students become reliant from a young age on structure that supports them. This could be different if students were in less structured environments from the beginning of their education and given the opportunity to develop the skills needed to guide themselves.

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Gray's recommendations only indicate the benefit of a relatively less structured learning environment, not a wholly unstructured one. In particular, in my opinion linking learning skills to one-year ranked tiers for children age 5-9 is terribly determinist, and introduces harm with no additional benefit for the students at all. Mixed-age classes with attention given to peer mentoring by the children who catch on first would be much more effective.

Computer-aided instruction also has promise, particularly for math instruction. There are times when the human factor can be detrimental to learning--like when a teacher gets exasperated over a child not understanding a math operation, for example. Computers don't get exasperated, they don't express negative judgements with their tone, they identify learning obstacles and allow children to keep trying without losing their patience.

I single out math skills, because numbers are entirely denotative and straightforward. Computers are ideal as a teaching aid for that skill.

Verbal language partakes of a lot of arbitrary irrationality--particularly English. Computers can't adequately explain why alphabetic spelling is so often at variance with the logic of phonetics, or the subtleties of context than influence the use of terms. Computer logic can't adequately explain the significance of the fact that the words 'vary' and 'very' have two different meanings, for example. A lot of the ability to read written English is dependent on familiarity, and learning to not be defeated by its inherent irrationality quotient. A human teacher present in the moment helps out a lot with that process. Programs like Duolingo can be valuable for learning a second language, but it's my impression that they require some baseline skills competence with ones first language.

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Your vision is spot on and a conversation I have regularly with my husband, family, friends, and colleagues regarding public education. We started homeschooling several years ago, both of our children. One still remains homeschooled, the other has returned to public. One of my children is thriving in all ways possible. My other child who “loves” being back in public, loves the social aspect and is floundering in almost all the other aspects of it. I continue to say, public education will implode on itself…someway or somehow. It is not changing like our ever changing world continues to do. Thank you for this piece, Peter Gray. I respect all of your work and continuously recommend your book “Free to Learn”. It was life-changing for me during our transition to homeschool. I’ve also enjoyed your sessions on the Raised Good Summit online. Cheers to you and your vision! Let’s hope this becomes a reality sooner than later…for the sake of children and their childhood.

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I very much appreciate your work, Peter, and I do hope that much of what you've discussed here comes to pass. But I still think there is a core question of "why school?" that still needs to be asked.

What is the purpose of education in a time of increasing complexity and challenge? We can no longer NOT layer a lens of climate change, growing disconnection from one another and nature, receding democracies, advancing conflicts, shocking losses in biodiversity, etc. onto any conversations around what it means to be educated. If the core goal of education remains to be to prepare children to get good jobs so as to feed a capitalist economic system that is pushing us to the brink, then we are surely complicit in what's happening right now.

I've written a lot more on this topic recently in a "manifesto" titled "Confronting Education in a Time of Complexity, Chaos, and Collapse" that might be of interest. https://futureserious.school/manifestoedu

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Here's a short read that will give you an idea of what I do. https://peterkindfieldphd.substack.com/p/earth-centered-transformative-ecological

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I just read your manifesto and agree 100% Check out my blog. I also focus on the issues you mention in your manifesto, including the excerpt above. Our "transformative activities" are written to support children in changing their worldview from one of separation to one of interdependence. We also focus on learning the skills and concepts they'll need to face collapse, including forming deep mutualistic relationships with themselves, each other, and the beyond-human world and otherwise being able to thrive off the high-tech cruise ship.

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Hey Will, I couldn't agree more! I'd love to talk with you more. See my comment here as well. You might be interested in the monthly Zoom meetings I host for Collapse Aware Educators via the Deep Adaptation Forum

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Just DM'ed you. Thanks!

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I just started our homeschool journey with our 5 year old this year. I don't know if families will be able to afford homeschooling. I was able to find a fully remote position that allows me to be home and still have an income. But if one parents needs to stop working to allow for the children to be home schooled, with this economy, I don't think families can survive with only one income, especially if they have multiple children.

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I hope you don't mind the late reply: you were quoted in Dr. Grey's latest post and I wanted to chime in.

As a fellow homeschooling mom, I guarantee you that YOU can make homeschooling as affordable or as expensive as you want it to be as there's an infinite number of free resources to help you along on your journey--from curricula, to local activities, to worksheets (if they're your thing), the works. Here are just a handful: https://youtu.be/wkjVvMoy518?si=9TdaUtWc-Sv4Rw6I

For starters, reading aloud, the most important thing you can do with/to your child and which will most influence his/her future academic success, is free. A library card is free. Many cities even forego late fines for kids' books. Local events like reading challenges from said libraries let your kiddo earn free tickets (like to the zoo, museums, etc.), which further decreases those costs you mention.

Additionally, the fact that only the wealthy can afford homeschooling is false (I linked to the video discussing these below):

- Yearly costs are significantly lower (and even more so if they're $0) than the annual cost attributed to a kid in public school

- MOST homeschool families are at *or below* the median income level, w/65% of them earning <$75K/year

- More than HALF of homeschooling takes place w/only ONE parent in the labor force ==> This one's key because you allege otherwise, and the data doesn't support you.

Here's really interesting look at the myths surrounding homeschooling. I started it at the one re:costs for your reference but you're welcome to backtrack and skip ahead a few mins for more debunked claims: https://www.youtube.com/live/C0l965uwyxw?si=JYfFw5Xlw3apZZep&t=3076 (..And here are the sources he cites, toward the middle of the page: https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/sources-december-17)

ETA: Many states will give you back some-most of the money you're already paying through taxes for public schools, through dual-enrollment programs or actual scholarships. Our state awards up to $8K/year/child through a new scholarship, but it also makes available other programs that give families ~$1800/year/child.

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Thanks for sharing Annie! There are sooo many myths surrounding home school - I hope people take time to watch the video you shared.

I did not mean to imply that only the wealthy can afford home school - quite the opposite! My point was meant to be that most of the families I know in the homeschool world are indeed on one income (and it is less than what I have) - yet they are content.

You have a great point that people can choose how much to spend. I would guess that people don't realize how little is actually required...precisely because kids don't need to be kept occupied for 6-7 hrs per day with lessons or extracurricular activities.

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We are on our 16th year of home education. Five kids, one income. (My husband makes a slightly higher income for our area, but I would have had a full-time job in IT if we had put the kids in school.) But I do not regret choosing my children's education & character development over having more material possessions or vacations. Each family's situation is different, but the cost of curriculum is very affordable (especially when compared to what school's pay per child each year!) Just to say: if you really want something (like home education), you will find a way to make it happen.

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Hey Peter, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this topic and, as usual, agree with much of what you said. I have a nit to pick and two interrelated larger issues.

The nit: the phrase "biologically designed." The distinction between design, which implies planning, and evolution, which does not, is important to many of us.

My two related larger issues are the ongoing collapse of our eco- and social systems and the importance of children learning basic ecological skills and concepts like how to grow food and form mutually beneficial relationships with other human and non-human ecosystem contributors. I wonder, do you envision a future where civilization continues on its current course: continuous growth via ecosystem-destroying extractive methods? I believe today's young people will see a drastic change in their lifetimes.

I see our current predicament as living on a high-tech cruise ship and not knowing how to swim. That would be a problem in any case. The fact that the ship is sinking magnifies the problem. I agree that our current educational system is destructive. I'd add that it does what it does, grooming passive consumers and producers, by design. I also agree that learning happens best through play and playful activity!

My vision for the future of K-12 education is learning centers as places where educators nurture learning environments and communities that support children learning traditional and modern ecological skills and concepts as they play in fields and forests. I believe that current school-aged children will need those skills to survive.

That's why my blog, Exploration in Ecology for Children and Their Adults, includes both general and specific ways for children and their adults to playfully learn those skills and concepts together, and have plenty of time to express their freedom to play, rest, and otherwise pursue their own needs and interests. https://peterkindfieldphd.substack.com

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.... thank you for your clear expression of a vision I too want to see manifest. Thanks again for all the research you've completed and probably are completing. I sent a letter to the Gates Foundation, Obama Foundation, Ken Burns, all our state legislators with an email, and anyone else I think might be willing to consider your and other's research on learning. As education moves to embrace learning as nature intended it to occur, it will apply the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." More happy people, do more happy things.

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What a phenomenal, passionate read. I’d love to see educations systems designed the way you suggest. Even in my short years as a teacher, I’ve also wondered whether grading children by age is important and I love the idea of students guiding their learning through topics of their own choice. It’s a crime that we don’t see more of it.

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I am inspired by your vision! I'm excited by imagining this future for education for our children and the joy it would bring, the innovative thinking, creativity and much more. I believe it will lead to many more happy, fulfilled adults because they will have had the opportunity as children and teens to discover what really lights them up and pursue it! Thank you for sharing your vision.

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I agree!!! and am trying to build this here in FL and in my work at UCF. I posted about the attitudes necessary at these re-envisioned schools, but I totally agree that the focus/content ought to be aligned according to the three phases you describe. https://transformingschools.substack.com/p/my-audacious-recommendation

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I would suggest beginning exposure to practical physical skills as a natural extension of the art that is typically done by 1st and 2nd graders. Learning to create and interpret sketches for woodworking and mechanical creations. Following behind the use of crayons, scissors and construction paper should be use of wrenches, screwdrivers, nuts and bolts and various fasteners. Erector sets and Tinker Toys are good basics. Create basic machines like teeter totters (levers), ropes and sheaves for mechanical advantage, wedges and ramps. Add basics like belts and pulleys, chain and sprockets, and different types of gears. As you relate in almost every letter, humans are experiential learners. Building playground equipment, maybe in miniature with drawings and measurements, then on the playground to experiment with goes far to explain the uses of math, sciences, drawing and measuring in the physical world. In my opinion as a life long learners in the skilled trades and as a graduate apprentice, the application of hands on skills should not be separated from education any more than "work" should be separated from "play". Seven and eight year olds are capable of drilling holes, using a brad nailer, working with wrenches to modify or assemble bicycles and skateboards, build bird houses and bat houses and bee hives. Nine and ten year olds exposed as above are more than capable of building forts, playground equipment, and sheds, or disassembling and reassembling bicycles and lawn mower engines. The farm boys I grew up with were skilled in so many of these things and many others. Things like acquiring and safely preparing wild game or processing produce and farm animals. As you so often say, we grossly underestimate the capabilities of young humans. It handicaps our children for the comfort level of squeamish adults who are afraid a kid might need a couple of stitches or learn that seafood doesn't originate in the market freezer case.

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Our canadian Township of Ignace has been choose/accepted as the 1st Canadian Nuclear Depository site. The opportunities for changing the look, feel and fun of learning and exploring at our finger tips. Would appreciate thoughts and participation during this endeavor.

Janet Lett

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Recently I became aware of a teaching protocol referred to as fidelity. the dictionary's definition of fidelity is loyalty a cause, etc.. It would seem in the context of state pedagogy fidility is repurposed to mean adherence to a highly specific standardized lesson plan. Apparently teachers are expected to teach using highly pre-specified plans that can even include guidance on tone of expression etc.. I find that quite surprising (and troubling).

The idea that any topic could be micromanaged to have only certain boundaries and not others simply does not correspond to the profoundly complex world that we live in. Ultimately, an education that is so precisely micromanaged really is not an education at all.

A work of literature, art etc. can have a universe of possible meanings -- narrowing such meanings down to an easily digestible and standardized mass experience largely defeats the purpose of education as a mental adventure. Exploring the many avenues available will invariably reveal unpleasant realities; such realities do not magically go away by simply ignoring them. However, it is these very excursions that help us grow as people.

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In my view, it is important to get as many people as possible talking about the questions found at the end of this article. The more they are discussed, the more informed people will become, and then the more likely they will be to take action to transform education.

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As the parent of an almost 3 year old I wish this change was happening faster, and I wish I had more clarity on it. Outside of the traditional route it seems there are expensive private elementary schools and home schooling, which is only available for families with one parent not working and when that parent is interested in making teaching effectively their full time role.

I do think there are tools being built that provide content and instruction in a way that meshes with the individual child’s interests and learning style, and those could allow the “educating” parent to be more of a guide than a teacher. But at that point is the child just learning from an iPad all day and missing out on the inherent socialization of school?

I think there’s a gap here that is likely to be addressed by private industry before it’s addressed by public policy, leaving it open only to wealthy families. Maybe that is the correct first route to prove the model before mainstream adoption - just like the Tesla Roadster came before the Model 3.

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This concept saddens me, seeming to assume that there is no way to make learning interesting, and or there is no value in teaching and going deep into the humanities (what it means to be human) and math and science (teaching critical approaches and thinking). Your proposal sounds very much like simply another way to produce workers-- not humans. While it is laudable to include the trades in our educational system for those who may compose to choose that route, without structured learning children simply will not get what they need to engage thoughtfully in continuing to create society.

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I love this idea! There's definitely merit in having dormitory-style campuses to encourage young people to become more independent. However, I think the model you describe makes perfect sense! Thank you for a very thought-provoking read.

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