Here's some things I'd like you to address in later posts on this topic, going by the comments and your responses - It seems like there's no real control group now for non-stressed kids. Kids are either in common core, or some equivalent program in a non-common core state, or they are in a stressful private school. So overall academics a…
Here's some things I'd like you to address in later posts on this topic, going by the comments and your responses - It seems like there's no real control group now for non-stressed kids. Kids are either in common core, or some equivalent program in a non-common core state, or they are in a stressful private school. So overall academics are stressful.
However the evidence presented by the smartphone-bad cabal (jon haidt et al) seems to point to kids being highly stressed internationally, and canada and australia don't have common core.
Would it then help to come up with a different metric than just "common core", to indicate academic stress levels and see if kids' stress levels correlate? The issue for me here is everyone keeps finding evidence of things that stress kids out and not enough of sustainable lifestyles that reduce kids' stress levels.
If high achievement pressure is what contributes to bad mental health, are kids in low-achieving school districts happier? We've got to be able to have data about that right?
Being in an upwardly mobile socioeconomic setting, every parent around me says they don't want their kids pressured to achieve, but at the same time wouldn't send them to a lesser school. Why? Because the kids there get up to no good and have worse outcomes. That's the choice parents face - put kids in an achievement oriented track, or kids get up to no good with all the free time and ruin their lives. So there really doesn't seem any kind of off-ramp here.
From what I'm seeing here, it feels like academic pressure, homework, cellphones, diet, lack of outdoor play.... all of these are just proxies to how much time kids spend with their parents just cherishing them and having fun with no ulterior objective like self-improvement or giving them a treat for success or achievement. I'm pretty convinced that's what it is.
Yes, kids in "low achievement schools" are doing much better psychologically than in those where academic pressure is high. I presented that research in Letter #43. The reasons I emphasize Common Core as cause of the sudden rise in suicides, depression, and anxiety in US teens since about 2010 is because that bumped so many public schools into the high achievement pressure category. In Canada, UK, and Australia there may have been other sources of increased school pressure, as they often follow the US on these things. Or, the cause could be something else there.
Here's some things I'd like you to address in later posts on this topic, going by the comments and your responses - It seems like there's no real control group now for non-stressed kids. Kids are either in common core, or some equivalent program in a non-common core state, or they are in a stressful private school. So overall academics are stressful.
However the evidence presented by the smartphone-bad cabal (jon haidt et al) seems to point to kids being highly stressed internationally, and canada and australia don't have common core.
Would it then help to come up with a different metric than just "common core", to indicate academic stress levels and see if kids' stress levels correlate? The issue for me here is everyone keeps finding evidence of things that stress kids out and not enough of sustainable lifestyles that reduce kids' stress levels.
If high achievement pressure is what contributes to bad mental health, are kids in low-achieving school districts happier? We've got to be able to have data about that right?
Being in an upwardly mobile socioeconomic setting, every parent around me says they don't want their kids pressured to achieve, but at the same time wouldn't send them to a lesser school. Why? Because the kids there get up to no good and have worse outcomes. That's the choice parents face - put kids in an achievement oriented track, or kids get up to no good with all the free time and ruin their lives. So there really doesn't seem any kind of off-ramp here.
From what I'm seeing here, it feels like academic pressure, homework, cellphones, diet, lack of outdoor play.... all of these are just proxies to how much time kids spend with their parents just cherishing them and having fun with no ulterior objective like self-improvement or giving them a treat for success or achievement. I'm pretty convinced that's what it is.
What do you think?
Yes, kids in "low achievement schools" are doing much better psychologically than in those where academic pressure is high. I presented that research in Letter #43. The reasons I emphasize Common Core as cause of the sudden rise in suicides, depression, and anxiety in US teens since about 2010 is because that bumped so many public schools into the high achievement pressure category. In Canada, UK, and Australia there may have been other sources of increased school pressure, as they often follow the US on these things. Or, the cause could be something else there.