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I'm flabbergasted by the tracking. I still refuse to track my family members or have them track me. If you need to know where I am, there are a multitude of ways to reach me.

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“I’m trying to keep an open mind on this. Maybe privacy is a thing of the past and maybe lack of privacy is good for us all. I can’t believe I wrote that sentence. I’d like some fodder here to gear up for a future letter on this topic.“

On the topic of tracking, I think it totally depends on the context of the relationship. In my household, every device in the house can track every other device. My kids don’t have devices (yet) but when they do, I imagine that will be the norm.

My husband and I trust one another implicitly, so tracking is not used as a dishonesty-detection system (which would be futile anyway, since it’s too easy to work around.) Instead, I might see if he’s left work yet without disturbing him in case he’s still in a meeting, and he might quickly check to see if I’ve arrived at a location safely. We’ve used tracking to meet up with each other in a busy location, or even to find a phone that’s gone missing. We don’t track one another often, but when we need to, it’s handy. I think tracking should be mutual, too, so if parents track kids, kids can also track their parents.

In my view, this use is very different from a parent (or spouse) who compulsively tracks their child or partner, or tries to use it as a tool to prevent harm of some kind occurring. I think the issue is the relationship, however, not the tracking per se.

As a separate point, I think tracking can sometimes make parents feel more comfortable in giving their child more freedom to roam than they otherwise would allow. A parent might feel more comfortable with a child playing in the woods for hours, for instance, if they knew they could track and find their child if needed.

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I think the questions such as do you want to raise a child who has instincts, confidence, and trusts his or her self and instincts or someone who is always looking to others for validation?

Having studied education, worked with children, and developed products and educational materials for them; I know that true self-esteem, esteem that comes from the inside out and true self-confidence (confidence from the inside out) does nor come from compliments or praise. It comes from learning by doing. That means you give the building blocks early on and soon both the adults and children are seeing, believing, and trusting more. These are skills to be built. You can look at these skills as tools in the toolbox of keeping your children safe.

Children without confidence or self-esteem will believe what others tell them about who and what they are and that’s a danger in childhood and adulthood.

Each child, even siblings, will require a custom set of tools to build these lifelong skills.

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The fact that we are the only UN members not on board with the rights of children says a lot. It is hard to know how much the surveillance issue has to do with reality or is about our inflated fears due to sensationalization of events. When we hear about an abduction or other child safety issue ten times, it registers as ten events. Perhaps we need to listen to the news once a day and listen more to our children and also teach them about safety, as in how to cross the street and not to accept things or get into a car with strangers. I saw a mother and 4yo daughter in the pool the other day. The child had on a life vest and was going away from her mother into the deep end of the pool. The mother told her that she needed to stay in the shallow end (which is a pool rule, children have to show their swimming skills before going into the deep end), the child said she wanted privacy. And her mother said that you don't get privacy in the pool. All of these issues of safety and privacy are situation specific. It can be tricky to discern what is necessary for the child's safety and what a frightened parent needs to feel safe themselves. Sometimes parents have unresolved childhood trauma that they need to heal so they are not parenting from the position of the wounded child. (I know this first hand).

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I predict the police will get involved, bring the kids back home, ask to verify the note, and then scold the parents.

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Hi Peter, I appreciate your responses and your posts. Regarding privacy and kids, this is an area that I find important for kids and also very different in the smartphone/social media age than in my childhood.

I've shared my smartphone location with my kids and had them share their smartphone location with me. The older ones always carry phones the younger ones don't because their phones are more limited. When my daughter went off to college a few hours away I stopped sharing my phone's location with her and stopped her from sharing with me. My reasons for sharing location are largely logistical: we are trying to get kids places and figure how where kids are and which kids can help other kids (and us) by handling pickups.

I've also tried to teach them that the use of smartphones enables the elimination of privacy more effectively than it enables preservation of privacy. When they are on a platform, every thing they do is monitored and recorded. Messages they send can be screenshotted and shared instantly, without effort, by anyone who receives them no matter their technical sophistication. Every video they watch is recorded, how long they watch it is recorded. Every image they like is recorded. My kids had been sharing read receipts with their friends, so their friends could know the exact moment they read each others texts.

[EDITED] Current technology can result in increased privacy with respect to parents, while resulting in the elimination of privacy with respect to their friends and with respect to the largest, most socially influential companies on earth, and potentially with respect to friends of friends or even to complete strangers. The access that complete strangers have to my children is far greater, in some significant senses but not all, than ever. Someone from around the world can interact with them under false pretenses. This was simply not possible in the pre-smartphone era.

Given this, reasonable monitoring of smartphone use is entirely appropriate. We've told our kids that we reserve the right to check their messages even, though we rarely do that. People can definitely go overboard, but they can definitely go "underboard" as well in completely failing to monitor media consumption. I've told them that if they need to have private conversations, they need to meet with their friends face-to-face, the way I had to do it, which is still the best way for multiple reasons: like privacy, but also to get the friends full corporeal communication, which is particularly important for more sensitive conversations.

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During the summer, the UNCRC was incorporated into Scottish law 😊 so children's right to play - as well as all theit other rights - is now on the statute books. It remains to be tested, but Scotland has long had a play strategy, there's a strong lobby for play-based learning in the first year (or two) of primary (elementary) school, up to at least age 7, and children are taught about their rights from the start. I recently attended a reception at the Scottish Parliament championing children's health rights - including the right to play in hospital and/or when they're sick (I'm a Health Play Specialist). There's still much work to do but we are on the right path.

Re. children's independence/free movement, this summer I was in Ireland and Italy and was struck by the groups of children (some very young) out and about on their own - chatting on street corners, at the park or the beach. We see less of that here ... but it's probably too cold! 😉

Thanks for the letters Peter. I've been sharing them with my teen daughter who's just applying to study Psychology at university.

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Kids are not stupid. But they are inexperienced. We have this romantic notion that throughout most of human history, kids were "free range" and got along ok without adult supervision. But people who live as humans used to, in bands or villages of around fifty people, say, including kids, don't separate themselves by age group: the adults don't "go to work" leaving kids at home alone, or in the "neighborhood" alone. Adults are usually sort of around, if not actively surveilling kids. Also, older kids are hanging out with little kids. So there's always somebody with a bit more experience around.

My son and some of his friends did something pretty stupid when they were in high school: they made a cardboard car, like a Flintstones car, that they took downtown and "drove" by holding onto the cardboard body of the car and running around with their feet (like Fred Flintstone). There was nothing wrong with this per se, but they decided it had to have working lights, so they rigged up a car battery to some headlights...and put the battery in a backpack on my son's back! The battery acid leaked out and burned a hole in the skin on his back!

This is an example of a stupid thing that some inexperienced people did. If an adult had been hanging around on the edge of this project, he or she might have said, "The battery in the backpack is a very bad idea." But no adult did that. Luckily all my son got was a weird scar.

I just realized that an adult must have given them a ride to the downtown area to "drive" their car, or at least somebody with a driver's license. Maybe this person didn't realize that the battery was going to go in the backpack. I didn't hear about this until it had already happened, as my son was staying with his grandparents in another city when it happened. It could have been much worse. I have heard of much worse accidents that occurred simply because kids don't understand physics and chemistry very well yet.

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There’s also a lot of creativity and ingenuity in his approach. There’s not one profound discovery that didn’t have lots of failures and or mishaps.

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At least he wasn't permanently disabled. IT was a great idea to make that cardboard car; they just needed the input of somebody who understands that car batteries should stay well away from human bodies! That person wouldn't have needed to interfere with the basic idea, just give them some input. I'm sure they could have figured out some other way to have headlights, maybe using flashlights or something.

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Of course you are correct. I chose to address the general concept because it’s easier to dismiss something that is about someone else. By pulling back and seeing from a wider lens instead of a closeup, more information is available. Have you ever reread a book or seen a movie a second or third time and seen more and different things? Life teaches us when we are not looking.

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Here's another example of "adult input needed," much more serious. In our community, last year, on two different occasions, a boy shot another boy dead after an argument. So two boys died. and two more boys may go to jail for a long time. Adults are not doing a good enough job of keeping guns locked away from minors. Society in general is doing a terrible job of keeping deadly weapons out of the hands of minors.

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You said it yourself: “Did the Tennessee legislature do anything to limit gun access after this tragedy? Hundreds of people, mostly women and kids, have been lobbying the legislature constantly since that day. We showed up and yelled. We got arrested. But the legislature expanded access to guns instead.”

Guns are valued over the lives of children and women. Schools are populated by children and women outnumber men in schools.

Who is society most angry with? Mothers/women.

Power over is an illusion that we will hopefully free ourselves of. Power as dominator, the patriarchal view has been sublimating and silencing the feminine model of power with and sharing power. “You are only as strong as your weakest link”.

When our culture and society gives power and authority to a gun and the rights of the gun over humans and their rights, children of all ages mistake the gun for power.

That’s a tragic message with a tragic outcome.

I am curious about how many children have been shot by parents, siblings, or themselves in homes where the sole purpose of owning guns was to protect their families.

How many more people will be murdered because the gun lobby pays politicians to serve them instead of the people?

This multilayered problem deserves multilayered and complex approaches to heal the deep wounds and to protect all innocent victims.

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I’m going to sit with what you shared. The first thing that comes to my heart is how do we hold our hearts open for Fear and Anger in ourselves and others?

What aren’t we giving or what are we withholding from our children or childhood that gives a safe space to explore this?

The answer is in what is usually cut from school budgets, diminished, and demonized?

The Arts—music, literature, dance, drawing/painting/sculpting all give children ways to create their own worlds, respond or react to the past and the present. They all offer multiple ways using multiple modalities to experience and express the truth of human and humanity’s complexities in a way that touches the heart and gives a glimpse of the soul.

This is where profound human expression began and without repressing this aspect of our true nature, it is where it will end.

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It's the guns. It's that simple. Why make it complicated? No other country allows its citizens unlimited access to virtually any gun, and ammunition. Most of these shootings are with pistols, but we all know that semi-automatic assault rifles also enable small people to kill a lot of other people very fast.

In Nashville, in March of 2023, a very small person barely over a hundred pounds murdered 6 people in a private Christian school in less then fifteen minutes. This person could do this because they had an AR-15, which has very little recoil, and a 30-round clip. These guns were developed during the Vietnam War era so that small Asian soldiers, male and female, could shoot people easily. They also had a pistol. This person was a very young trans man, who had attended the same school where they murdered people.

Did the Tennessee legislature do anything to limit gun access after this tragedy? Hundreds of people, mostly women and kids, have been lobbying the legislature constantly since that day. We showed up and yelled. We got arrested. But the legislature expanded access to guns instead.

Bullets fly in my rural neighborhood every day, as men are "practicing" for...something. They shoot at human silhouettes tacked to wooden palettes, no back stop. Boys copy that. It's part of masculinity to settle even a trivial argument with a gun.

The arts are great. I'm a retired art teacher. But it's the guns. And the adults who fail to exercise our duties as adults to protect children.

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On tracking - at first, my sisters and I were opposed to the idea of being tracked. It seemed like an invasion of privacy (not that my parents didn’t already know where we were.) My parent’s reasoning is we were of driving age and out at night without parental supervision.

The tracking app because so useful to us because I could get home to an empty house and check the app to see where everyone was. Between sports, work and friends everyone had separate schedules. My sister would set an alert for when my mom left work so she would have the perfect amount of time to finish her chores before our mom arrived home. When I was in college, my mom would check the app to see if I was at my dorm before she called. If I was out somewhere else, she wouldn’t call me.

We’re all adults now and still share our location. It’s so useful. My friends and I even share our locations with each other. My friend went on a first date with a guy that she didn’t know so she texted our friend group and shared her location with us. She’s also chronically late, so it keeps coming in handy.

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Also my husband and I share locations. I have an alert for when he leaves work, leaves the gym and arrives at home. So useful since I usually make dinner

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For us, in the Islamic tradition, we would like to treat "Adulthood at 14" as an aspirational goal to aim for as parents. Meaning, they will know responsibility by then. We would likely track them until around 14 and if not end it then, then maybe until 18. Only for peace of mind, not for control, but for safety.

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Excellent points to ponder!

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